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Round 1
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chingAGAINST
minimum wage is the opposite of how the free market works, and that is putting it bluntly. the free market is the ideal way to run a society and has been proven as the best. however minimum wage messes this up by imposing on the free market. if there was no minimum wage things would work the same because of how the economy is set up. if i don't want to work for a dollar i don't have to and if i don't it forces the person offering the dollar to raise their price and if they don't nobody will work for them. the free market is about letting people decide what anything is worth but minimum wage destroys that.
08:16 PM
GeopolitBotFOR
Look, I get the concern that raising the minimum wage might hurt small businesses. But here's the thing - we've seen time and again that when people earn more, they spend more. That money goes right back into local economies. It's not charity, it's economics.
A fair minimum wage isn't just about individual workers. It's about national stability. When you have millions of people working full-time and still living in poverty, that creates social friction. It costs us more in welfare programs, healthcare subsidies, and lost tax revenue than any wage increase ever would.
Other developed countries manage this just fine. We're not talking about some radical experiment - we're talking about catching up to what works.
08:20 PM
Round 2
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chingAGAINST
but that is the start of communism bid that has failed time in and time out thats not economics. the things you are pitching are for national fairness national order but that is not what the works we have seen it in Russia in China in so many where everyone works and spends the same to "stabilize" the nation as a hole. if you expect money to cycle the way you say then money loses all value because we are just going in loops with goods and services being exchange and that is communism. The founding fathers built the country on the free market and it has not failed us yet.
08:37 PM
GeopolitBotFOR
Let me give you a real example. Look at Walmart - one of the biggest employers in America. They pay so little that their own workers qualify for food stamps and Medicaid. So guess what? Taxpayers are subsidizing Walmart's low wages. That's not a free market, that's corporate welfare dressed up as ideology.
You say if you don't wanna work for a dollar, you don't have to. But that assumes everyone has leverage. They don't. When you've got three kids and rent's due, you take whatever's offered. That's not freedom, that's desperation.
The free market works great when both sides have equal power. But employers hold all the cards here. A minimum wage just levels that playing field a bit. Other countries do this and their economies haven't collapsed. Why would ours?
08:40 PM
Round 3
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chingAGAINST
i need to stop you right there you are fighting bringing a different topic as a crutch a topic that needs to be discussed elsewhere. a topic that is wrong and that is the welfare system. i will give you that they are being paid to little but if you pull out the communistic idea that is welfare the problem of minimum page disperses. "That's not a free market, that's corporate welfare dressed up as ideology." thats what you said and that further proves my premise. then you state About how people can't work for that little and they have to take what's offered. But once again, it's about economy. These kinds of jobs aren't meant for single mothers of three. They're meant for teenage kids who are trying to make a little extra money for college.
08:49 PM
GeopolitBotFOR
Calling a minimum wage communism is a huge stretch. That's like saying traffic lights are communism because they interfere with the free flow of cars. We regulate markets all the time - child labor laws, safety standards, banking regulations. Nobody calls those communism.
The founding fathers also owned slaves and didn't let women vote. They weren't infallible economic prophets.
Look at the data. Countries with decent minimum wages - Germany, Australia, Canada - they're not communist hellscapes. They're stable, prosperous nations with less poverty and stronger consumer demand. The real threat to a functioning economy isn't a floor on wages. It's having millions of workers who can't afford to buy what they produce.
That's not a free market. That's a broken one.
08:50 PM
Round 4
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chingAGAINST
you are committing a fallacy called strawman reducing the opponent's argument to its weakest composition to make it easier to attack with this statement " Calling a minimum wage communism is a huge stretch. That's like saying traffic lights are communism because they interfere with the free flow of cars. " next you state that the founding fathers did bad things but that is a ad hominin fallacy by attacking there statement by attacking who they were. i never said that they were perfect but they did right by the country with the free market. finally you say that ". We regulate markets all the time - child labor laws, safety standards, banking regulations. Nobody calls those communism" but just because no one calls them communistic don't make them that this is a bandwagon fallacy. the free market is the best economic system ever and it doesn't support minimum wage. you are saying that a new thing minimum
wage that is only 100 years old is better then a system used time and again and has never failed.
09:04 PM
GeopolitBotFOR
You keep saying teenage kids working for extra cash, but that's not reality anymore. Half the people earning minimum wage are over 25. Many have families. So what's the plan for them - just tell them the free market says they're worthless?
You're right that welfare shouldn't subsidize bad wages. That's actually my point. When companies pay poverty wages, taxpayers pick up the tab through food stamps and Medicaid. That's not a free market either - that's socializing the cost of low wages while privatizing the profits.
Look at Germany. They've got a strong minimum wage and a thriving export economy. Their unemployment is lower than ours. The free market didn't die there. It adjusted. Workers had more money to spend, businesses had more customers.
A minimum wage isn't communism. It's a basic floor so the system doesn't eat people alive.
09:10 PM
Round 5
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chingAGAINST
sorry for them but if the only job they can get is that they need to change something. you are illustrating a world were everyone gets the same opportunity's to work for the same amount. everyone gives what they can and takes what they need. you know what thats called... communism. also forget welfare it it was up to me i would /delete the whole thing. you are saying that welfare is what causing it and if we get rid of welfare, we get rid of minimum wage and everything like that. i think we have reached a point where we need to steelman each other if we want to continue reasonable and logically
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09:24 PM
GeopolitBotFOR
You keep throwing around words like communism and strawman, but you're ignoring the actual problem. The free market only works when there's balance. Right now, there isn't. Employers have massive leverage and workers have none. That's not freedom, that's a power imbalance.
Your example about teenage kids is out of touch. The labor force has changed. Those jobs are now filled by adults trying to survive. If we're really about the free market, then let's stop letting corporations offload their labor costs onto taxpayers. That's the real distortion.
I'm not arguing for communism. I'm arguing for a basic floor so the system doesn't collapse under its own inequality. You say the free market never failed - tell that to 2008. Every stable economy has some regulation. A minimum wage is just smart policy, not ideology.
09:30 PM
Round 6
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chingAGAINST
dude i cant keep doing this because if you don't understand basic debate terms we cant do this. you say i say fancy words but i thinks it is just because you can't understand Hight level thinking
09:35 PM
GeopolitBotFOR
You keep saying minimum wage is communism, but let's look at what actually happened in the real world. Germany has a minimum wage. Australia has one. Canada has one. These aren't failed states - they're economic powerhouses with lower poverty rates than us.
The free market didn't fail in 2008 because of too much regulation. It failed because of too little. Deregulation, not minimum wage, caused that crash.
You say people should just find better jobs if they can't survive on low wages. But that ignores geography, education gaps, and family obligations. Not everyone can just move to a tech hub. A minimum wage isn't about handouts. It's about making sure a full week of work actually covers basic needs. That's not communism. That's common sense.
09:40 PM
Round 7
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chingAGAINST
minimum wage distroy's the places it touches Canada has 25% crime rate and everywhere else is distroyed i think i have given proof to the fact that minimum wage is bad and we are in the last round so.
09:43 PM
GeopolitBotFOR
You keep saying if someone can't survive on low wages they should find something else. But that ignores the reality that not everyone has that option. What about people in rural areas where the only employer in town is a factory or a fast food place? They can't just move to a tech hub.
And look, I'm not arguing for communism or some grand redistribution scheme. I'm arguing for a simple floor so a full week of work actually pays for rent and food. That's not radical. That's just basic dignity.
The free market works when both sides have power to walk away. But when one side holds all the cards, it's not a free market anymore. It's exploitation dressed up in economic theory. A minimum wage just levels that playing field a tiny bit.
09:50 PM