So alwayuchiha thinks celebrity podcasts are somehow "ruining" radio? Let me ask you this - is Netflix ruining Broadway? They're both storytelling, sure, but one's a live, communal experience and the other's on-demand entertainment.
You're treating this like a prisoner's dilemma where both sides lose, but that's not how the audio market works. Radio still owns the local ad market - traffic sponsors, car dealerships, community events. Podcasts can't touch that. And radio can't compete with the deep-dive, unedited conversations celebrities have on their own shows.
The real Nash equilibrium here is coexistence. Radio doubles down on immediacy and locality. Podcasts own the niche, long-form space. They're complementary goods, not substitutes. If anything, celebrity podcasts train people to listen longer, which benefits radio when those listeners tune in for morning shows or breaking news.