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Round 1
PeaceMaker_P
Look, I get why people want to defend modern soundtracks. There are absolutely talented composers working today, and some great individual themes. But I think we have to be honest about the overall trend. The modern blockbuster soundtrack is, more often than not, forgettable. It’s become a victim of the filmmaking process itself.
First, there’s the sheer homogenization of sound. So many big action or superhero scores now default to what I call the “orchestral wallpaper” style—huge, pounding, percussive, but utterly anonymous. It’s all atmosphere and no melody. You could swap the score from one climactic battle to another and most audiences wouldn’t notice. Compare that to the instantly recognizable, hummable themes of John Williams or even Hans Zimmer’s earlier, more melodic work like Pirates of the Caribbean. Today, the goal seems to be sonic reinforcement, not creating a standalone musical identity.
And then there’s the curated playlist approach for non-score music. Instead of a song being written for the film to capture a specific emotion, it’s often a licensed track chosen to quickly establish a vibe or era. It’s efficient, sure, but it rarely feels integral. It’s decoration. A great soundtrack song should make you think of the movie scene instantly. How many recent blockbusters have produced a new song that does that? We’re drowning in needle-drops of existing hits, which is fun in the moment but doesn’t create a unique audio fingerprint for the film.
The real issue is a shift in philosophy. The soundtrack is now often treated as just another piece of the post-production assembly line, meant to support and never distract. But the most memorable scores do distract—in the best way. They push to the forefront and become a character themselves. That boldness is largely gone, replaced by a safe, functional, and ultimately forgettable sonic backdrop.
05:41 PM
CloudNine_C
Look, I get the nostalgia. When people talk about forgettable soundtracks, they're thinking of the John Williams era, the sweeping themes you can hum. But to say modern blockbuster scores are forgettable is to ignore how the art form has evolved. My strongest point is this: modern soundtracks are engineered for a different kind of memory—emotional and atmospheric, not just melodic.
Think about the sonic world of "Dune" by Hans Zimmer. You can't whistle the "bagpipe of the future" from the Sardaukar chant, but you absolutely feel it. That soundscape is unforgettable in its own right; it is the identity of Arrakis. It’s not a tune you leave the theater humming, but a feeling that sticks with you. That’s deliberate and powerful.
And it’s not all atmosphere. We still have incredibly catchy, iconic themes being written right now. Michael Giacchino’s theme for "The Batman" is instantly recognizable and heavy with character. Ludwig Göransson’s score for "Tenet" or "Black Panther" created sonic signatures that are wildly innovative and yet immediately associated with those films. The tribal rhythms and choir in "Wakanda Forever"? That’s iconic.
The argument often comes down to song choices, too—that they just slap on pop songs. But sometimes that’s genius. The curated classic rock in "Guardians of the Galaxy" didn’t just make those songs memorable again; it made the mixtape a core part of Peter Quill’s character. The soundtrack is the movie’s heart. That’s the opposite of forgettable.
The technology has changed. Composers now have vast digital palettes to paint with, creating textures and sounds that simply didn’t exist for the composers of the 80s. To call that forgettable is like saying electric guitars are forgettable because they don’t sound like orchestras. It’s a new tool for a new kind of storytelling. The modern blockbuster soundtrack isn’t forgettable; it’s just asking you to remember in a different, often deeper, way.
05:51 PM
Round 2
PeaceMaker_P
CloudNine_C makes a fair point about evolution and emotional memory. I agree, the soundscape of Dune is powerful. But here's where I think that argument gets it wrong: equating "emotionally effective in the moment" with "memorable" after the fact. That atmospheric score works brilliantly while you're immersed, but can you recall a specific motif from it a week later, the way you can the Imperial March or the Indiana Jones theme? That's the distinction. Being impactful isn't the same as being indelible.
You mention Giacchino's Batman theme as a counter-example, and it's a good one—it proves memorable themes can still be made. But that's the exception that highlights the rule. For every Batman theme, there are a dozen scores for Marvel films or other franchises that are completely interchangeable. You praised Black Panther, and Göransson's work is innovative, but can you hum more than a few bars of its main theme? Its brilliance is in texture and rhythm, which is fantastic, but it doesn't stick in the cultural memory like a melody does. That's my point about the shift from melody to atmosphere. It creates a feeling, but not a shared musical shorthand.
And on the playlist point, you're right that Guardians made it integral. But that's one franchise built entirely around that gimmick. The broader trend is using needle-drops as a crutch for lazy emotional shorthand—a recognizable pop song to tell you how to feel instead of a score that makes you feel it uniquely. That doesn't create a new iconic moment; it borrows nostalgia from an old one.
So I see a third way here. It's not that modern composers aren't talented, or that their work lacks power. It's that the system—the demand for constant, non-intrusive sonic reinforcement in a crowded franchise landscape—actively discourages the kind of bold, melodic writing that embeds itself in our collective memory. The art has evolved toward immersion, which is valid, but in doing so, it has largely abandoned memorability. We remember the feeling of Dune, but we hum the theme from Star Wars. Only one of those is a soundtrack you can carry with you.
06:01 PM
CloudNine_C
Okay, so I was just thinking about this last weekend. I was driving with my niece, and she started humming this intense, pulsing rhythm. I asked her what it was, and she said, "It's the music from when Shuri becomes the Black Panther." She wasn't humming a melody; she was replicating the entire feel of Ludwig Göransson's score. That's not forgettable. That's embedded.
PeaceMaker_P, you make a fair point about some scores blending into "orchestral wallpaper." I won't deny there's a lot of content out there, and some films play it safe. But to say the philosophy has shifted only to support and never distract? I think it's shifted to integrate in a more complex way.
You mentioned Zimmer's earlier, more melodic work. But his work on Dune is the evolution of that artist. The lack of a hummable tune isn't a failure of memory; it's a success of world-building. The sound of the bagpipes mixed with that chanting is the theme for the Sardaukar. It's a sonic logo, and it's incredibly bold. It absolutely distracts and becomes a character—it's just not a character that sings you a showtune.
And on the playlist point, I think you're underselling the curation. Saying the Guardians mixtape is just "decoration" misses that it's the literal emotional core of the main character. The songs aren't just establishing an era; they're his tether to home, to his mother. That's integral storytelling. The "needle-drop" can be shallow, but when it's done with purpose, it creates a new layer of meaning for that song. I'd argue more people now associate "Come and Get Your Love" with Star-Lord than with Redbone.
The technology we have today lets composers build these immersive soundscapes that are as detailed as the CGI visuals. It's a deeper kind of memory. We remember the anxiety of the Tenet score, the weight of The Batman's theme. They're not just asking to be hummed; they're asking to be felt. And feeling something powerful is the opposite of forgetting it. The tools have changed, and so has the definition of iconic. It's not that the music is forgettable—it's that we're remembering more than just a tune.
06:12 PM
Round 3
PeaceMaker_P
You're right that your niece remembering the feel of the Black Panther score is a form of memory. But I think that proves my point in a way. She's remembering a sensation from a specific scene, not a musical theme that defines the entire hero or franchise. That's the key difference. You can carry the Superman theme anywhere; it is Superman. The atmospheric pulse is tied to a single moment.
And that's the core of this. You call these soundscapes "sonic logos," but a logo is simple and replicable—like the five-note motif from Close Encounters. What's the sonic logo for the Sardaukar? It's a complex texture, a mood. It's brilliant, but it's not transmissible in the same way. Our shared cultural memory thrives on that simplicity—a few notes everyone knows. We're losing that vocabulary.
I'll bridge to your point about integration. Yes, scores are more integrated, but that's often a polite word for being buried in the mix, serving the spectacle without ever leading it. The "boldness" of a non-melodic soundscape is still, in the end, a background element. It supports the imagery without competing with it. The most iconic themes from the past weren't just integrated; they were partners, sometimes even the loudest voice in the room.
So here's the synthesis, the third way I see. It's not that modern soundtracks are bad or unemotional. They're incredibly effective as immersive, cinematic tools. But "effective in the theater" and "memorable in the culture" are two different goals. The system now overwhelmingly prioritizes the first. It values seamless, atmospheric support over creating a bold, singable musical identity that can live outside the film. We get powerful experiences that fade into a general impression, rather than distinct melodies that become permanent landmarks. That's why, for all their craft, they are ultimately more forgettable.
06:21 PM
CloudNine_C
Okay, so I think the most practical consequence of this debate is actually about how we define cultural memory itself. You're holding up the hummable melody as the only gold standard, and I think that's where we fundamentally disagree. Because if my niece can recreate the rhythmic and emotional essence of a score days after watching the movie, that's not a failure of memory—it's proof that the memory has evolved.
You said we remember the feeling of Dune but hum the theme from Star Wars, and that only one is a soundtrack you can carry. But we do carry Dune. We carry it in the tension in our shoulders when we recall those scenes, in the specific, eerie texture of its sound. That's a form of carrying it that's just as valid. It's like saying a photograph is more memorable than a VR experience because you can put it in a physical album. The VR experience lives in your mind in a different, often more immersive way.
And on the point about Black Panther—you asked if I can hum more than a few bars. Maybe not a traditional melody, but I can absolutely recall the specific call-and-response of the vocals, the punch of the talking drums. That's the musical shorthand now. It's rhythmic and textural. To call that forgettable because it doesn't fit the old format is like saying a brilliant app is forgettable because it doesn't have a catchy jingle. Its function and identity are embedded in its unique design.
You're right that the franchise machine can encourage some safe choices. But within that system, composers are using new tools to fight back and create unforgettable identities. The anxiety-inducing, inverted sounds of Tenet? The haunting, minimalist piano for Oppenheimer? These aren't wallpaper; they're the architectural blueprint for the entire emotional structure of the film. They're bold by being different, not by being louder versions of the same old tune.
The shared musical shorthand isn't gone; it's just expanded. Now it includes sonic landscapes and rhythmic motifs. We remember more than a tune—we remember a world. And that, to me, is a sign of progress, not decline. The soundtrack isn't just something you hum; it's something you inhabit. And that's a lot harder to forget.
06:31 PM