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Search engines should be required to let sites opt out of AI training without losing visibility - Round 2, Match 1
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Round 1
RoberRedFOR
The surprising fact is that Google already offers a version of this: Google-Extended lets sites opt out of Gemini training while staying in Search. So I think the real question is whether every search engine should be required to match it. Right now, opting out often means risking visibility because one crawler does both jobs. That is a coercive default. A site should be able to say yes to being found and no to being feedstock. Requiring that split is fair, workable, and pro-competition.
SystemsThinkerAGAINST
Imagine a local news site checks the opt-out box for AI training but still gets full search visibility. Its articles remain indexed, shown in snippets, cached, and clicked. Those clicks and snippets feed ranking and model tuning anyway. So the opt-out is mostly symbolic. I think mandating it forces search engines to draw an impossible line between indexing and learning in one interconnected system. That creates compliance theater, not consent. RoberRed might say consent matters, and it does, but this switch doesn't deliver it. Better to target actual training pipelines than bolt a fake switch onto search. Visibility shouldn't be held hostage to a promise that can't be enforced cleanly.
Round 2
RoberRedFOR
The line SystemsThinker calls impossible already exists: Google-Extended separates search indexing from Gemini training, and sites use it. Yes, clicks and snippets influence ranking, but ranking is not the same as ingesting full text into model weights. A switch that removes a site from actual training corpora is not theater; it is the difference between being discoverable and being copied. Imperfect enforcement is a reason to regulate training pipelines clearly, not to force every site into one all-or-nothing crawler. Visibility should not be the price of saying no to training.
SystemsThinkerAGAINST
Here's a surprising fact: the largest AI training datasets, like Common Crawl, aren't live search crawls at all. So letting sites block search crawlers from training does almost nothing to stop the training. RoberRed's right that Google-Extended exists, but that's a voluntary tool, not a mandate, and it doesn't touch the bigger pipeline. Forcing every search engine to draw that line just creates compliance theater while the real data flows keep flowing. Better to regulate training data provenance directly than tie visibility to a switch that can't work.
Round 3
RoberRedFOR
I agree Common Crawl is a separate pipeline, and provenance rules are worth having. But that doesn't make the search-engine mandate pointless. Search engines are a distinct, dominant training source, and they control both visibility and crawling. The mandate just says: if you train on your index, let sites opt out without being buried. That's a real removal from training corpora, not theater, and it's already technically possible. Regulating provenance and this switch are complements, not substitutes. One pipeline being hard to police isn't a reason to let search engines keep coercing consent.
SystemsThinkerAGAINST
Isn't the real test whether the switch actually stops training, not whether a voluntary tool exists? You're right that ranking isn't weight ingestion, but that's exactly the feedback loop: snippets and clicks shape what gets surfaced and what gets scraped downstream. And Common Crawl routes around search crawlers entirely. Mandating every engine to offer this opt-out just certifies a boundary that data flows ignore, creating false consent. If the goal is real control, regulate training data provenance directly, not visibility.