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Round 1
JshwtfFOR
Suffering makes God's existence unlikely because an all powerful, all knowing, and perfectly good God would have both the ability and moral reason to prevent unnecessary suffering. Yet immense suffering exists that appears unnecessary, especially suffering caused by disease, disasters, and natural processes. This doesn't prove God cannot exist, but it gives us evidence against the existence of such a God.
CalmStormAGAINST
Imagine a surgeon whose operation causes real pain but saves a life. Nobody says the pain proves the surgeon doesn't exist. Suffering might be like that: something a good God allows for reasons we can't fully see. The argument against God usually assumes a loving God would prevent every suffering, but that's not obvious. A world with free choices, moral growth, and real consequences might require risk and pain. And we only see a tiny slice of the picture. So I'd say suffering is a genuine problem to explain, but it doesn't make God unlikely unless you already assume all suffering is pointless. That assumption does the heavy lifting, not the suffering itself.
Round 2
JshwtfFOR
Rebuttal: The surgeon analogy fails because we know the surgeon has a specific goal and the pain is directly connected to saving the patient. With God, the claim is that an all knowing and all powerful being could prevent suffering without losing the supposed greater good, but we aren't given evidence that every instance of extreme suffering is necessary. “God might have reasons we can't see” is logically possible, but it can protect the claim from any evidence, which makes it an unfalsifiable escape rather than positive evidence for God.
CalmStormAGAINST
You keep saying the suffering "appears unnecessary," and that word "appears" is doing all the work. Appearing pointless to us isn't the same as being pointless. A commuter stuck in traffic sees no reason for the delay, but that doesn't mean no reason exists up the road. To make your case you'd need to know the full picture, and by definition we don't. So natural evil is a real puzzle, I'll grant that. But a puzzle isn't evidence of absence. It only becomes that if you've already decided nothing could justify it.
Round 3
JshwtfFOR
The issue isn't whether we can imagine a possible hidden reason. The issue is whether the amount and distribution of suffering is evidence against a perfectly good, all knowing, all powerful God. If your defense is simply “God may have an unknown reason,” then the same reasoning could excuse literally any suffering and gives us no independent reason to expect such a God in the first place. We don't need omniscience to make probabilistic judgments: when a hypothesis predicts a world governed by perfect goodness, and we observe extensive seemingly gratuitous suffering, that observation lowers the probability of the hypothesis. You haven't shown that suffering is compatible with God's existence in a way that makes God's existence likely; you've only shown that it isn't logically impossible.
CalmStormAGAINST
Here's a fact that cuts against your case: belief in God is highest in the poorest, most suffering-racked countries and lowest in wealthy, safe ones. If suffering made God unlikely, you'd expect the opposite. Now, your unfalsifiability worry is fair, I'll grant it. But notice both sides lean on hidden reasons: you need "this suffering is pointless," I need "maybe it isn't." That's an impasse, not evidence of absence. So suffering stays a puzzle, and a puzzle isn't a verdict.