I could understand where you're coming from this, but however, if you really think about it, science is what we are observing from God's creation. It's like understanding pi in math. You know, we did not create pi. We are just discovering pi. We calculate and discover new numbers. But however, those numbers already existed before. So in the same context, the universe has existed before and the creator must be a higher being. Right? It's a logical thing. We all need to have a creator. We can't just come from absolutely nothing. And the point is that from what I've heard from my previous debates, usually the atheist argument would be then who created God. But however, it is quite illogical if God was created, then the loop will never end. Because the God is supposed to be the highest being. The greatest of all time. Like nobody comes before him. He's like the administrator.